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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.energyfiend.com/2008/02/starbucks-rant-perfect-shot-gone-wrong/comment-page-2#comment-148736</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You coffee types make me sick. Coffee is coffee. Drink it and shut up. Ohhhh my shot of espresso wasn&#039;t perfect. If I were there I would have thrown it in your face and pissed on you to cool the burn. Pretentious douchebags - all of you lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You coffee types make me sick. Coffee is coffee. Drink it and shut up. Ohhhh my shot of espresso wasn&#8217;t perfect. If I were there I would have thrown it in your face and pissed on you to cool the burn. Pretentious douchebags &#8211; all of you lot.</p>
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		<title>By: cbar</title>
		<link>http://www.energyfiend.com/2008/02/starbucks-rant-perfect-shot-gone-wrong/comment-page-2#comment-147955</link>
		<dc:creator>cbar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 01:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard Starbucks doesn&#039;t even pull their own shots?

Meaning, their espresso machine...is like one found in an old airport terminal espresso vending machine...

Is this true? Madness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard Starbucks doesn&#8217;t even pull their own shots?</p>
<p>Meaning, their espresso machine&#8230;is like one found in an old airport terminal espresso vending machine&#8230;</p>
<p>Is this true? Madness.</p>
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		<title>By: Eppie</title>
		<link>http://www.energyfiend.com/2008/02/starbucks-rant-perfect-shot-gone-wrong/comment-page-2#comment-123257</link>
		<dc:creator>Eppie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just on the whole &quot;hipster/cool&quot; vibe that Starbucks is trying to reclaim: I&#039;ve never found in works in the US or in sites built specifically for &#039;Bucks. But over here (Edinburgh, Scotland) most of them a in old banks and converted offices which were built in the 1800s (Haymarket area) or older (up on the Royal Mile, medieval 6-storey buildings) which seems to work. Beanscene is a much worse culprit for fake hipster-hood. And worse coffee.

On the coffee side: I do a lot of traveling and so does my friend so we appreciate that there&#039;s a supplier of caffeinated delight that is seriously consistent through the US, UK, Ireland and mainland Europe. Might not be fantastic quality, but after a 18 hour haul, it&#039;s one less thing to worry about.

I will however be asking about the beans next time I can afford to go in. Or I could pop into the one beneath us right now, I suppose. (^.^) Ah, well placed flat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just on the whole &#8220;hipster/cool&#8221; vibe that Starbucks is trying to reclaim: I&#8217;ve never found in works in the US or in sites built specifically for &#8216;Bucks. But over here (Edinburgh, Scotland) most of them a in old banks and converted offices which were built in the 1800s (Haymarket area) or older (up on the Royal Mile, medieval 6-storey buildings) which seems to work. Beanscene is a much worse culprit for fake hipster-hood. And worse coffee.</p>
<p>On the coffee side: I do a lot of traveling and so does my friend so we appreciate that there&#8217;s a supplier of caffeinated delight that is seriously consistent through the US, UK, Ireland and mainland Europe. Might not be fantastic quality, but after a 18 hour haul, it&#8217;s one less thing to worry about.</p>
<p>I will however be asking about the beans next time I can afford to go in. Or I could pop into the one beneath us right now, I suppose. (^.^) Ah, well placed flat.</p>
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		<title>By: Keriann</title>
		<link>http://www.energyfiend.com/2008/02/starbucks-rant-perfect-shot-gone-wrong/comment-page-2#comment-101630</link>
		<dc:creator>Keriann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 23:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Jaime. You are the voice of reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Jaime. You are the voice of reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaime</title>
		<link>http://www.energyfiend.com/2008/02/starbucks-rant-perfect-shot-gone-wrong/comment-page-2#comment-99246</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 02:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huzzah.  You know Fiend, it gets my goat a bit when people simply pile hate on business for no other reasons than a misinformed distaste for business in general.  You know, our ability to procure and have, say, a truly delicious Huehuetenango (light roasted please!), properly prepared is in part due to our national affluence (made possible by the fact that our business is so successful--unhip as that may seem).  Coffee, after all, is a luxury item and really good coffee even more so.  

So I say, let Starbucks do its thing, and if it does it well, then it deserves to be successful.  Especially since it seems to be that Starbucks success isn&#039;t coming from dirty tactics, like driving down the price of wholesalers due to buying power or keeping employees on the breadline due to low compensation (both tactics of, say, Walmart).  I must confess that after posting, I decided to buy a few shares of Starbucks (I&#039;m hoping that my logic proves true in the future), so I can&#039;t claim no affiliation any longer, but only a very small amount.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huzzah.  You know Fiend, it gets my goat a bit when people simply pile hate on business for no other reasons than a misinformed distaste for business in general.  You know, our ability to procure and have, say, a truly delicious Huehuetenango (light roasted please!), properly prepared is in part due to our national affluence (made possible by the fact that our business is so successful&#8211;unhip as that may seem).  Coffee, after all, is a luxury item and really good coffee even more so.  </p>
<p>So I say, let Starbucks do its thing, and if it does it well, then it deserves to be successful.  Especially since it seems to be that Starbucks success isn&#8217;t coming from dirty tactics, like driving down the price of wholesalers due to buying power or keeping employees on the breadline due to low compensation (both tactics of, say, Walmart).  I must confess that after posting, I decided to buy a few shares of Starbucks (I&#8217;m hoping that my logic proves true in the future), so I can&#8217;t claim no affiliation any longer, but only a very small amount.</p>
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		<title>By: Caffeine Fiend</title>
		<link>http://www.energyfiend.com/2008/02/starbucks-rant-perfect-shot-gone-wrong/comment-page-2#comment-99209</link>
		<dc:creator>Caffeine Fiend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jaime - that is the comment of the week. Excellent. Enjoyed reading the references you provided. Much to think about there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jaime &#8211; that is the comment of the week. Excellent. Enjoyed reading the references you provided. Much to think about there.</p>
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		<title>By: Moose</title>
		<link>http://www.energyfiend.com/2008/02/starbucks-rant-perfect-shot-gone-wrong/comment-page-1#comment-99189</link>
		<dc:creator>Moose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Starbucks is NOT the best coffee in fact their coffee is over roasted.  The only reason they are popular is the same reason that people go so crazy over Ipods.  They have good marketing and they know that people are sheep.  Starbucks also had the advantage of being one of the first coffee house chains and depending on where you live,(I happen to live in seattle) there is litterally one on EVERY corner.  If you want good coffee I suggest looking for the small, hole in the wall coffee house, in my experience those ones are more fun and have way better tasting coffee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Starbucks is NOT the best coffee in fact their coffee is over roasted.  The only reason they are popular is the same reason that people go so crazy over Ipods.  They have good marketing and they know that people are sheep.  Starbucks also had the advantage of being one of the first coffee house chains and depending on where you live,(I happen to live in seattle) there is litterally one on EVERY corner.  If you want good coffee I suggest looking for the small, hole in the wall coffee house, in my experience those ones are more fun and have way better tasting coffee.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaime</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 01:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keriann was actually right about the prices of coffee, according to a press release (http://www.starbucks.com/aboutus/pressdesc.asp?id=738), in fiscal year 2006, Starbucks paid $1.46 per pound of coffee on average, which is quite a premium over the fair trade price of $1.21-$1.19 per pound set by FLO International (http://www.fairtrade.net/fileadmin/user_upload/content/Coffee_SF_January_2008_EN.pdf).

I suppose a good deal of Starbucks bashing is the natural instinct of a good many college, white collar radicals, for whom popular and financial success is some sort of anathema.  A feeling, I imagine, is necessary to prop up their jejune sense of rebellion and uniqueness.  There&#039;s nothing like the word &quot;corporate&quot; to raise the hackles of &quot;socialist&quot; sons and daughters of insurance salesmen as they sit listless in their parent-paid dorm rooms.  I say the hating a business for the simple dislike of business in general is immature, and, frankly, boring, old, and predictable (by the way, so is that Che t-shirt, so knock it off).

That aside, let&#039;s talk coffee.  Starbucks just got finished sacking upper management and replaced the CEO with the guy, Schultz, who used to run the place. Frankly, the company has admitted that it has gone astray by becoming too fast-food like, that is, rapid pell-mell expansion, drive-throughs, and the like.  The now well-known three hour training is consistent with the plan to increase the quality of the coffee served.  Will this, dear readers, give you a cuppa on par with the diligent artisan with his Marzocco and beans roasted exactly 48 hours ago of a custom and much labored over blend?  No.  It won&#039;t get you a cup on par with the home-roasting enthusiast with her PID&#039;ed Silvia either.  

Is that all right?  Sure.  The reason is that there is room for the artisan item, there is room for quality item, and there is room for the cheap item.  Starbucks, rightly, is trying to get back to that middle niche.  The bottom niche can be left to your McDonalds or Dunkin Donuts, and the top is too uneconomical for a publicly traded corporation.  Ideally, Starbucks is the place where you can happily have a business meeting or grab a quick cup when out of town or on a morning commute, and it is nationally available.  I say ideally because of late the company has been falling short of the ideal (see sacking of upper-management), but it does have its place, and I daresay isn&#039;t all that evil (see good employee benefits, high wholesale bean prices). 

By the way, I have no affiliation with Starbucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keriann was actually right about the prices of coffee, according to a press release (<a href="http://www.starbucks.com/aboutus/pressdesc.asp?id=738" rel="nofollow">http://www.starbucks.com/aboutus/pressdesc.asp?id=738</a>), in fiscal year 2006, Starbucks paid $1.46 per pound of coffee on average, which is quite a premium over the fair trade price of $1.21-$1.19 per pound set by FLO International (<a href="http://www.fairtrade.net/fileadmin/user_upload/content/Coffee_SF_January_2008_EN.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.fairtrade.net/fileadmin/user_upload/content/Coffee_SF_January_2008_EN.pdf</a>).</p>
<p>I suppose a good deal of Starbucks bashing is the natural instinct of a good many college, white collar radicals, for whom popular and financial success is some sort of anathema.  A feeling, I imagine, is necessary to prop up their jejune sense of rebellion and uniqueness.  There&#8217;s nothing like the word &#8220;corporate&#8221; to raise the hackles of &#8220;socialist&#8221; sons and daughters of insurance salesmen as they sit listless in their parent-paid dorm rooms.  I say the hating a business for the simple dislike of business in general is immature, and, frankly, boring, old, and predictable (by the way, so is that Che t-shirt, so knock it off).</p>
<p>That aside, let&#8217;s talk coffee.  Starbucks just got finished sacking upper management and replaced the CEO with the guy, Schultz, who used to run the place. Frankly, the company has admitted that it has gone astray by becoming too fast-food like, that is, rapid pell-mell expansion, drive-throughs, and the like.  The now well-known three hour training is consistent with the plan to increase the quality of the coffee served.  Will this, dear readers, give you a cuppa on par with the diligent artisan with his Marzocco and beans roasted exactly 48 hours ago of a custom and much labored over blend?  No.  It won&#8217;t get you a cup on par with the home-roasting enthusiast with her PID&#8217;ed Silvia either.  </p>
<p>Is that all right?  Sure.  The reason is that there is room for the artisan item, there is room for quality item, and there is room for the cheap item.  Starbucks, rightly, is trying to get back to that middle niche.  The bottom niche can be left to your McDonalds or Dunkin Donuts, and the top is too uneconomical for a publicly traded corporation.  Ideally, Starbucks is the place where you can happily have a business meeting or grab a quick cup when out of town or on a morning commute, and it is nationally available.  I say ideally because of late the company has been falling short of the ideal (see sacking of upper-management), but it does have its place, and I daresay isn&#8217;t all that evil (see good employee benefits, high wholesale bean prices). </p>
<p>By the way, I have no affiliation with Starbucks.</p>
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		<title>By: GrampZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>GrampZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 00:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the end, Starbux Sux pretty much. I tried them AGAIN today and was disappointed, AGAIN. Bitter, unenjoyable, expensive, slop.
 The best coffee in the region is the Farmers Bros. brand brewed in the backwash doughnut/chinese food strip mall store run by the local MA&#039;s(mexicans). Pretty bad when they have every opportunity to not worry about the coffee and it beats the crap out of the &quot;we love coffee and really know how to make it&quot; boneheads at the numerous SB estabs around the area.
 ARG!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the end, Starbux Sux pretty much. I tried them AGAIN today and was disappointed, AGAIN. Bitter, unenjoyable, expensive, slop.<br />
 The best coffee in the region is the Farmers Bros. brand brewed in the backwash doughnut/chinese food strip mall store run by the local MA&#8217;s(mexicans). Pretty bad when they have every opportunity to not worry about the coffee and it beats the crap out of the &#8220;we love coffee and really know how to make it&#8221; boneheads at the numerous SB estabs around the area.<br />
 ARG!</p>
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		<title>By: Caffeine Fiend</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caffeine Fiend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Keriann:

Question to the Author: How often do you drink straight espresso shots?

Answer: Twice daily. For many years. &quot;Caramel overtones&quot; was something I just made up that sums up some of the best espresso shots I&#039;ve had. Never seen a  Starbucks manual in my life. 

You also said: &quot;did you know that Starbucks pays MORE than Fair Trade for their coffee?&quot;

That I seriously doubt. Almost everyone else I&#039;ve spoken to who imports beans says the opposite. Who to believe - competitors or marketeers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Keriann:</p>
<p>Question to the Author: How often do you drink straight espresso shots?</p>
<p>Answer: Twice daily. For many years. &#8220;Caramel overtones&#8221; was something I just made up that sums up some of the best espresso shots I&#8217;ve had. Never seen a  Starbucks manual in my life. </p>
<p>You also said: &#8220;did you know that Starbucks pays MORE than Fair Trade for their coffee?&#8221;</p>
<p>That I seriously doubt. Almost everyone else I&#8217;ve spoken to who imports beans says the opposite. Who to believe &#8211; competitors or marketeers?</p>
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